From the Editor

Sep-14

Where did the forum go?

This question and answer ran in Saturday's Since You Asked column, but since we continue to get questions about the disappearance of the Mail Tribune forums and the story comments, here it is again:


My question is simple: What happened to the Mail Tribune's (online) forums? — M.I., Medford

Your question is simple, M.I., but alas, the answer is not.

First, we posted notices online and in the newspaper that the forums would be disappearing. That news caused joyous dancing in the streets from some quarters and ominous muttering about censorship from others.

So here's the deal: The Mail Tribune's online forums will go on hiatus for about a month and half while a new forum system is added to our Web site. When that new forum is activated, it will be moderated — in other words, before comments are posted, someone will look at them to ensure they are appropriate.

Aha, some will say, there's the censorship! Not so, Chuckie, unless you define censorship as the removal of obscene references, personal attacks on private figures, incessant sniping between forum users and a general lack of verbal hygiene.

The old forum system provided a mechanism for responding at the end of stories as well as a way to start a forum topic independent of stories.

It was monitored through user complaints. In other words, if a user spotted a comment that crossed the line, he or she could click on a complaint link and let us know something was amiss. We would check it out and if we agreed it crossed the line, we would remove it.

Well, let's just say that proved to be a big job. We received dozens of complaints daily, thousands over the course of a year. A lot of the complaints were about inappropriate or obscene comments, which would appear despite an obscenity screen (use a $ in place of an S and let your mind run wild.)

But the bigger headache involved forum users attacking each other. It seems there are a certain number of people out there who have a very low threshold for dissent. So if someone disagreed with them on a topic, a flaming response would ensue. If the second party was prone to flaming as well, a conflagration would break out. And we have pitifully few cyber firefighters at the worldwide headquarters of www.mailtribune.com.

As with many things in life, it only takes a few to ruin it for everyone. The idea of a community forum where people can engage in civilized discussions about issues is appealing. And there were many users on our forums who tried to do that. But there were an unfortunate number of users who seemed ever ready to go on the attack.

The new moderated forum probably won't solve that problem entirely. But it should be a step in the right direction.

 

Comments (50)

  • Oct-16 - karasuShoshanna, think about it. In the forums as they were, you had as much time and space as you wished to make a point, argue, cite references, link to other sites, cut and paste material from other sources. No one limited your time, number of words, or number of responses. No one rang a bell, shouted you down, escorted you from the meeting, or cut off your microphone. You could follow up and contest specious replies. Responses were instantaneous. You had a means to complain about posts, and if... [Full Comment]
  • Oct-15 - matchboxWow, still did not fully answer why Forum is gone...other than they are tired of listening to those of us opposed to BO.
  • Oct-14 - ShaggyBob,its been two days since you answered when they were coming back. How about another update. Perhaps we could get 8 hourly updates as my need to comment on local news articles makes my life incomplete.
  • Oct-12 - bHunterIf you look below to the Oct. 2 comment I posted in this string, you'll see that our best guess is somewhere around the first of November. This is in the Web techs' hands, and out of our control, but we are pushing for them to get it up and running as soon as they can.
  • Oct-12 - KathyWell it has been a month since the forum was dropped so I was wondering if we will be getting it back soon. There have been many times I have been tempted to respond to an article only to get to the bottom of the page and realize that we can't do that anymore. Could you possibly do an update as to when the forum is going to returning.
  • Oct-12 - Shoshanakarasu said in his most recent comment, the last of 4 comments in just this forum, that I should "live with it" if I don't like the forum to be insulting or filled with people who attack the opinions of others. He then went on to tell me that I should stay out of the forum if I want everything to be nicey-nice. This is exactly what I was talking about when I told the editor "thank you" for making changes. I think there are many well-informed, interesting people who would enjoy contributing to... [Full Comment]
  • Oct-9 - snoopyHere we are, reading about Ashland students absent in high numbers with flu symptoms, not to mention other current events. Nobody can comment...nobody can add any information. C'mon, the censorship has really gone quite far enough.
  • Oct-9 - karasuDear Shoshanna: In the rough and tumble world of public discourse, arguing about issues is how things get decided. A lot is at stake. Obama has promised a complete restructuring of American society and has proceeded to institute policies that many feel are destructive and wrong. This is a participatory democracy. Are we all supposed to shuffle our feet, look down at the ground, mumble a little and go on our way? Or are we supposed to stand up and make our voices heard? Some people like to... [Full Comment]
  • Oct-7 - ShoshanaThank you so much for changing the way the forums are set up. Your new ideas sound great to me. A few times in the past I wrote a comment in a forum and found myself attacked and insulted. I looked over the different opinions in the forum and saw that the same people seemed to make most of the comments. I decided it just wasn't worth it. The forum wasn't a place for people to express opinions, it was a place for obnoxious people to incite arguments. Thank you again.
  • Oct-7 - karasuDelayed, are they? How convenient. Just when the health care debate was getting good, just when the Obamists were back on their heels, just when the people were getting wise . . . I suspect that the problem for Hunter & Co,'s prooellor heads is that they can't figure out how to prevent opinions they don't like and facts they won't acknowledge from being posted on their website.
  • Oct-6 - LSMWhat is the turn around going to be until the comments get approved? Delays can make commenting back with another user so slow that commenting will just dry up and quite a few less people will use it. (probably what the MT wants anyway) I have been a part of other forums where comments took at least 6-12+ hours to appear and they are basically ghost towns now due to a person having to physically review each and every one of them. People just moved on to other real-time based forums. It's sad... [Full Comment]
  • Oct-6 - snoopyI would be nice to be able to comment on the MT news. That's what made it enjoyable to read. Being able to interract with others in the area was a plus. Now,all we're left with is to scan the headlines and go on to other things. Pretty boring. I now read the Redding newspaper where, as lease there are comments allowed on national and local events. I'd have to wonder how long your paper will survive if it doesn't catch up the the times.
  • Oct-5 - CarrmanNew forum I'm sure will be a shadow of its former self.
  • Oct-2 - bHunterAs I wrote in my last blog (on Sept. 14 -- sorry) it would be about a month and a half, which would put the return at sometime around the first of November. The Web guys who are working on this say that schedule was maybe overly optimistic, but exactly what that means, I don't know. Given that comment, I'd say they will return sometime in November. Just a guess at this point.
  • Oct-2 - snoopyCould you please give us an update as to when the forum will be available again? It's been quite a long time. Thank you
  • Oct-2 - bubs4uDon't worry folks your right to blog "Freedom of Speach" will return after Nov of 2010.
  • Oct-2 - rp4prezI'm confused. Monitoring the forum should've been easier than monitoring the romper room at Freddie's, right? So why was monitoring a valuable community tool described by the MT as being "a big job" when 1 complaint every 2 hours in a given day was the average? When the ad homs get too heated, wait for the third complainer then warn the perp once before yanking her/his privilege.
  • Oct-1 - snoopyYou are taking a very long time to make whatever "adjustments" necessary to allow the readers to post opinions. The previous poster is absolutely correct. Voices are being silenced because of pressure from a few. It's not a difficult thing to weed out the obscenity, flaming, name calling, etc. The discussions of current news items are an enjoyable part of reading the publication. Again to the MT: "taking your ball and going home" is NOT the answer.
  • Oct-1 - DiatomSo it's the end of the Month. Is there a new forum or not? Mr. Hunter obviously has had nothing to say since the 14th. Surely someone at the MT knows the status.
  • Sep-28 - Hindsight.is.20-20Discussions and conflicts of opinions are one of the things that makes the United States a great country. People need to voice their point of views (without obscene comments, of course). When the voices are silenced, we need to beware. The darkest parts of our history may be repeating itself. To the MT: "Taking your ball and going home" is NOT the answer!
  • Sep-23 - veritasI get the distinct impression we are only getting part of the story. If I have heard correctly this was a corporate decision, not made anywhere near the town of Medford, and that it involves a number of Murdoch owned papers. They cancelled their contract with one outsourced cyber-vendor abruptly before another could take its place. (I wonder if the content cops will be from Bangalore?) The forums provided a valuable community service. There were some spitters, and I must admit I lowered... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-21 - snoopyNow that we have fires burning in Medford and Ashland, wouldn't it be nice if people could post what they know about these fires in their neighborhoods?? Sometimes people are able to assist others with information. The wildfire update phone number only gives information as of 11:07 this morning.
  • Sep-21 - murphyguyIf you will publish in your paper a letter to the ed. a writer's obviously fictional conversation with a strawman racist/bigot protrayed as real. How do you hope to do better in moderating an on line forum? I am referencing Mardra's from Jacksonville recent letter regarding Obama, health care and racism where she set up a fictional racist/bigot strawman to knock down. Call her and ask for that bigot's name and phone number. Good luck.
  • Sep-21 - BertI think the bald-headed, overpaid government nazis read something politically incorrect on a MT forum, and someone called the manager, and told em to shut down their forum boards, that's what I think. Kind of scary to think they have that much control over the public media, but 'they' are out there. See that flower over there in the garden? It's not really a flower. Most flowers don't have an antenna, or connecting wires... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-21 - Curt AnkerbergThis problem could have easily been solved if the MT had required every poster to use their REAL name and city of residence, similar to how the MT handles their Letters to the Editor section. Then, posters would have been personally responsible (accountable) for their behavior. I relayed that suggestion to Julie Wurth prior to the cancellation of the "old" forums. While I don't agree with the extreme behavior of some posters, I find it ironic that the MT is apposed to "flamethrowers", when... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-21 - snoopyBoy, the Tribune is certainly boring. I was interesting to read the comments on a given news story. It's really too bad that there were some that were disrespectful, however, there weren't too many that were. Most readers managed to ignore those that were acting in an inappropriate manner. Are you protecting us from ourselves??
  • Sep-18 - anyaI agree with the decision. Because of a few people the forums became quite an embarrassment. I used to read them just to see what kind of nuts could actually read & work a computer. It's quite frightening when you realize "These people probably vote, too. It's not censorship. The MailTribune owns & runs the forum & can basically do whatever they want. If people want to wank about censorship, they can go start their own website & with own forum.
  • Sep-16 - ozmanPlay nicely, kids. Daddy doesn't like the way you talk to each other.
  • Sep-16 - karasuSure feels "MT" these days.
  • Sep-16 - Steve PlunkI certainly agree a moderated forum will serve all of us better. The flame wars distracted participants and casual readers from the topics at hand. Regardless of the problems the Mail Tribune could have done a better job of transitioning to a new system. Earlier notice and no interruption would have not only served the community but it would have left the Mail Tribune looking much more capable. As it is this looks disorganized and unprofessional. With nonstop accusations of bias and censorshi... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-16 - MagenPeople can use Craigslist for that kind of crap. Can I say "crap"? :-D
  • Sep-15 - George HuntDo away with it entirely. It's a dingbat magnet.
  • Sep-15 - DoneDone with mail tribunes site and paper now.
  • Sep-15 - snoopyI've recently had a few exchanges with MT regarding the removal of the forums. Yes, there are a few people that do not conduct themselves in an appropriate manner, however, it certainly seems that this censorship has occured as a result of pressure by the local "movers and shakers". You don't give your readership much credit for being able to figure out the obvious. I'm sure people will find another avenue to persue. At this time I barely scan the headlines in the MT and Tidings...don't... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-15 - StrixWhat a crock of bull. You have been snivelling and whining about the forums for a long time. You people routinely censor on an ad-hoc and subjective basis. Things that the censor personally disagreed with tended to get pulled, regardless of the language used, and the new system will only encourage that. It's pretty pointless to even have "public forums" (and maybe you need to look that term up so you know what it actually means), if you simply stifle those views that don't suit your personal... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-15 - ScarletribbonsWell, it's worth a try...... I'll peek back in a month or two to see where this new plan plays out. MT was going 'south' with a couple of motormouths. I'm not a fan of censoring, but some monitoring would be in order.
  • Sep-15 - diatomThere's really nothing much interesting happening on the MT Website without the forums. You can read a story but we can no longer discuss the pros and cons and opine our view. No I'm not interested in a $60/yr internet subscription. I'm not even sure if I'm interested in renewing my $160/yr MT subscription.
  • Sep-15 - KarasuWell, you're on a slippery slope now, Mr. Hunter. Are we to believe that you will not apply your own personal, political and cultural biases to determine "appropriateness" and what constitutes a "personal attack." While we are confident in your perfect impartiality and evenhandedness (Question; Is sarcasm OK?), we are somewhat skeptical of your plan to review each and every post in a timely manner. Who, exactly, will do that? What are his or her qualifications, instructions, guidelines,... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-15 - VanessaA month and a half? Seriously? Don't you understand that within that amount of time there will be a tremendous amount of people who will find other local boards to post on and will not come back to MT? I used to read quite a few of the stories posted online and the comments and now I am finding that the whole paper seems a lot less interesting. Instead I am looking at other larger websites for my news "fix". I guarantee that I am not alone.
  • Sep-15 - Jon GI belive it is sad when a few people ruin a good thing. I enjoy responding to the topics posted in the forum. I think that people in general need to learn RESPECT when responding to anyone's opinion wheather they agree or disagree. There is always a proper way to respond without being disrespectful or fouled mouth. Shame on the people who lack the character to figure this out!
  • Sep-15 - Another IdeaYahoo Answers has far more forums than the MT ever thought of having, and their system is primarily self-monitoring by users. If enough users complain, a post "disappears" for Yahoo examination. People that complain for reasons that don't hold up under examination gradually lose that ability to complain, while people who complain for cause find their vote has increased power. Eventually everyone rises (or lowers) according to their own credibility, and it's mostly done with programming alone.... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-15 - B. JonesI'll be frequenting the Medford Forum more often now: http://medfordforum.com . It's too bad MT couldn't manage what they had already. The ability to comment on news stories was very appealing. We'll see if the changes are positive or not.
  • Sep-15 - Al NeumanI see. The old forums = uncontrolled anarchy threatening to take down the MT with enormous labor demands to monitor. The new forum to come, with EVERY post being monitored instead = an acceptable cost to the MT. Hmm. What part makes this explanation unbelievable? Now, you wonder if we'd pay $5 a month for an internet subscription. HAHAHAHA!
  • Sep-15 - JoeyDGI have been to other forums that weren't moderated at all and ended up wishing I hadn't visited them. When you're in public, even online, you should act reasonable and dignified. It's reminds me of people who talk on their cell phones in church and people who don't wear shirts and shoes in the grocery store or big women who wear stretch pants and belly shirts. And what about those people who smoke in the movie theater, people who intentionally run red lights that have been red for a full 30... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-15 - MLFIt's sad that people who would rather make personal attacks make more mess for the newspaper to clean up, and impedes the communication of more civilized people. That's true in speech as well as print, however. I guess that despite how far we have come, human nature is not so easily and evenly tamed.
  • Sep-15 - Brookings readerI enjoyed the forums and made a comment once in a while. I just hope it is not censored to a point of not being able to say how you feel about responsibility for actions even if they result in the death of the irresposible party. I spent more time on the MT website than the other 8 I regularly read
  • Sep-14 - Bob AndrewsThe San Francisco Chronicle utilizes an online reader response, similar to the one you have described. I think it is a good idea. The forum was going into the tank, and you pulled the plug. Good Decision
  • Sep-14 - Rick HarrisThanks Bob. Free speech isn't unfettered speech--free speech in a civil society requires a bit of self-censorship, a hint of common civility, and a dash of common sense. We all agree that yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre can have unintended (or intended) consequences and ought to be limited to an actual emergency. Somehow we don't see "forums" or "blogging" in the same light, yet these forms of "free speech" can have equally damaging results when improperly used. Saying whatever one wants... [Full Comment]
  • Sep-14 - bubs4uIt's sad that we cannot live in a perfect world.
  • Sep-14 - geezerI agree. Some topics tend to get very personal responses - as in "kill the messenger if you don't like the message." I hope your new system works, as I think the forums are a valuable way to see what the readers are thinking and to share information.
Jun-22

Auchincloss coverage

We've had a number of concerns raised by readers over our coverage of the investigation into Ashland resident James Auchincloss' alleged possession of child pornography. Auchincloss, the half-brother of the late Jackie Kennedy-Onassis, has not been charged, but several stories have been published based on information compiled by police after they served search warrants. Acquaintances of Auchincloss have complained that it's unfair to publish the information before he has even been charged. Some of that conversation has occurred in the Media Critics group of  Rogue Current, our social networking site. Here's the comment I posted there in response to questions:


I would say the No. 1 reason we ran the Auchincloss story (or run any stories, for that matter) is that it was newsworthy. A guy who got arrested a week or so ago after allegedly robbing a bank was still legally innocent, but his picture ends up in the paper. Our job is not the same as prosecutors or defense attys -- our job is to get interesting, newsworthy information out to readers. Mr. Auchincloss' connection to the Kennedys does not make him guilty, but it does make him more newsworthy, thus the national coverage of this story.

Of course, each case has to be considered on its own merits. In this case, three things tipped the scale toward publishing the story:

1. The evidence was overwhelming -- it was almost impossible to read the eyewitness statements, as well as comments they made in interviews with our reporter, and review the evidence seized by police and not reach the conclusion that a crime had been committed. Mr. Auchincloss offered no protests that the accusations were false and, in fact, we have still not heard any denials from him. We have had a number of complaints from his friends, but none from him.

2.  We were concerned, apparently moreso than the police, about reports that Mr. Auchincloss and another man being investigated had taken photos of local children. Those children were clothed and in public settings, but how should a parent feel about knowing the photos were taken at all, given the circumstances?

3. The evidence has been in police hands for 7-8 months and still no action. They say they are overwhelmed by the work load -- maybe this is evidence that local police and prosecutors should shift their priorities. In any case, it's not something that can be swept under the rug at this point.

I feel comfortable with our coverage. Child abuse in various forms -- and child pornography is certainly child abuse -- is rampant in this country, as well as in our local communities. When it occurs in unexpected corners, it's even more important to get the word out.

 

Comments (5)

  • Aug-7 - Jon GI think that there is nthing wrong with publishing the story. No one has pointed the finger at him saying he is guilty. All the artical reported was the facts of the case that have been released.
  • Jun-24 - Cindy J.It's shameful that friends of this man are trying to cover up the story. Just what "community" is trying to protect one of their own? And why, really?
  • Jun-23 - Mike N.I see. I think you are doing the community a public service in getting this story out. I hope it helps put some fire under the police feet to make an arrest, or explain why not.
  • Jun-23 - bHunterThe story was broken by a Daily Tidings reporter, Hannah Guzik, whose stories (like all DT reporters) are also carried in the Mail Tribune. We worked closely together in preparing the story. The first story we ran, which was published well in advance of any Oregonian story, was the same lengthy piece written by the DT reporter. The Oregonian has been trailing both the DT and MT on this one.
  • Jun-23 - Mike N.But you didn't run anything until the DT did, and your more in depth coverage followed the Oregonaian article.
May-21

More bad news to come

We get a rather steady stream of criticism for publishing bad news. Well, brace for more.

On the heels of last week's announcement that the state budget shortfall is not quite as bad as feared, Gov. Ted Kulongoski paid the Mail Tribune a visit Wednesday as part of a push to create a program that he hopes would produce 12,000 jobs this summer. (Click here for story on the program.)

That was the good news -- at least it seems to us that it's better to pay 12,000 people to work instead of just giving them unemployment checks. But the bad news came in his other comments -- specifically that the current budget situation, as dire as it is, may very well be the high water mark for this year. In other words, he predicted it will get worse before it gets better and that the cuts being imposed on state programs and schools will increase in severity as future revenue forecasts come in.

Trust me, we would rather publish good news. But here's a warning that more storm clouds are gathering on the horizon.

 

Comments (2)

  • Oct-14 - karasuShoshanna, I merely confirmed your stated intention to avoid the forums because they are, in your view, too rough-cut and raw. My recommendation that you avoid public discourse was in no way a personal insult, and the fact that you mischaracterized it as such indicates that you should, indeed, avoid stressful scenarios. We are in a period of upheaval unprecedented in our nation's history. Much is at stake. Your future and mine are in play. If you yearn for politeness and calm, you are in the... [Full Comment]
  • May-28 - RLIJust an observation. In Thursdays front page, dated 5/28/09, there is an article by Brad Cain. Regarding the State House ok's gas tax hike and infers that this will create jobs to help Oregon emerge from the recession. I can't help but question and challange that statement. It implies that more people will be put to work. My feelings are that rather than putting more people to work, which is what is needed, it will only continue to give an extension of work for those currrently working. When... [Full Comment]
4/22/09

Neo-Nazis in the news

I posted this on the roguecurrent.com Media Critics group page a bit ago:

We're getting some unhappy callers about our Neo-Nazi coverage in today's MT (4/22). Concerns expressed about a variety of things, biggest was that the posed photo glamorized the three (ahem) gentlemen. Not as much concern about the story, which detailed their criminal pasts and had comments from several sources opposed to their efforts, but some readers thought it should have been played on B1 or inside somewhere, not on the front page.

We discussed the potential for that reaction yesterday and tried to make sure the story did not come off as a feature about some local guys in a community group. I think the posed photo was problematic, but also think it made a strong statement about who these guys are.

I've told the callers I've talked to that I think an important part of our job is to shine light into the dark corners of the community. Putting the story on Page 10 doesn't make it go away, it only helps us ignore it by keeping it in the shadows.

By the way, the Neo-Nazis didn't like it either. Turns out we are part of the left-wing Jewish conspiracy.

 

Comments (2)

  • 4/24/09 - VictoriaYears ago, we lived in Coeur d' Alene, Idaho. This group was big in that area. They thought they were hot stuff until thier leader got a permit for a parade and nobody came:( My family and I walked by because we were on our way to a pow-wow and were in full regalia. The Q-balls never said a word to us! You don't have to pretend they aren't there, just don't give these kids the power and attention they crave because no one else ever gave it to them. Victoria Happy in Medford
  • 4/22/09 - DonCarlitosGood job with that. Alarming images make phones ring. That's validation. That's impact. That's good local journalism, if I can be so bold.
4/17/09

Tea Party coverage

Coverage of the recent Tea Party rallies provided another obstacle course for the media to navigate. I first heard about the event in the Media Critics section of roguecurrent.com, where one of the posters said he'd be surprised if the media would cover the event. I told the poster we were interested in covering it and that if he could put us in touch with organizers, we would do just that. He did and we did, running a front page story the day before the event and a front page story the day after, plus stories, photos and videos on mailtribune.com.

The first comment we got back from the advance story was that we were obviously biased against the event. Huh? OK, I admit I was confused. Turns out that an editor (me) changed the words "national politicians" into "President Barack Obama and Congress." I thought I was making the story clearer, because I had seen other coverage (yes, even on Fox News) that showed the message was aimed at the White House and Congress. I was wrong, though, to make that assumption, as I told the woman whose paraphrased words (not direct quotes) I had changed. An innocent mistake on my part, but in her view part of the media conspiracy to distort the news.

Turns out the organizers were making a very concerted effort to portray this as a non-partisan event, even if most of the creators and participants were Republican and/or conservative (Dick Armey, Tom DeLay, Michael Steele, Newt Gingrich, Fox News, etc.) I had unknowingly stepped in the middle of that.

With that auspicious start, we set off to cover the event. Our reporter, Damian Mann, was greeted with numerous comments or questions about his impartiality. He did his job, covered the story in a very straight-forward manner and, in the end, received compliments from some of the organizers and participants. He did say, however, that he got some criticism from non-conservatives that the coverage was "excessive." Can't keep everybody happy.

I clearly made a mistake in changing the wording in Damian's story. Even if I didn't really believe this was a strictly non-partisan effort, a sentiment we expressed in an editorial on Wednesday, my editing changed the comments made by the event supporter, even if they were only paraphrased comments.  Lesson learned.

But as to the comments that it was an evidence of biased coverage, I say not guilty. Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake.

 

Comments (14)

  • 4/21/09 - IronkettleranchHey Bob - Glad to see you are taking "baby steps" on your path to accountability - I want to encourage you to read the MT retraction printed on April 15th (2nd page) that corrects the misquote by Damian Mann - I believe what was actually said was U.S. Government NOT U.S. Politicians and Congress. Remember Bob, you are in a position of public trust. The citizens and subscribers deserve the truth, not your version of it.
  • 4/21/09 - ERICWith this kind of cloud hanging over American citizens, the story is not about tea party or taxes, its about the hand of big brother over reaching its grasp! Single-page confidential directive issued by the FBI headquarters in Washington, DC (FBIHQ) was sent to each of the 56 field offices located across the United States on or about March 23, 2009, instructing the Special Agents in Charge (SACs) of those offices to verify the date, time and location of each TEA Party within their region and... [Full Comment]
  • 4/21/09 - BobI thought your post-rally article was relatively objective, and although my sensibilities weren't offended by your revision to "Obama and Congress", it did fall short of absolute accuracy. My perception is that the Tea Party protests were probably inevitable. I know that I would have been there if President Bush had taken it to this level, especially topped off with all the potential government control that seems imminent. It just happens that our current political leadership (questionable... [Full Comment]
  • 4/21/09 - OregonjaybirdWhy wouldn't the organizers think you would be dumb enough to cover a manufactured news story and report it as a non-partisan, grassroots event? Your record speaks for itself. You cover these events because you fear being singled out by conservative talk radio and the rest of the mob. Heaven forbid someone lift up the curtain and do some actual investigative reporting. No, you decide it better to just send out a photographer and a sponge and slap the crap on the front page. BTW: The Republica... [Full Comment]
  • 4/21/09 - AirForceBratAs the organizer of the Vogel Plaza gathering, and one who was interviewed for Damien Mann's story, I have to say that I was not only slightly misquoted in the article, but my comments were also taken out of context. I very much resented the Editorial in the next day's paper stating that organizers were "taking pains" to make this seem a bi-partisan event (I paraphrase here.) I took no pains to do anything other than give Mr. Mann my opinion. And my opinion stands. The mess we're in is the... [Full Comment]
  • 4/20/09 - griz51Broadway, How would you describe past liberal events such as the (so called) Million Man March? Would you say that that event was fueled by the liberal media and not truly a "grassroots" happening?
  • 4/20/09 - MarkJJI've never picked up a picket sign in my life, but I had one in my hand in front of the Jos. Co. Court House April 15th. 51 yrs old. During the presidential campain the MT, along with most all of the Oregon METO newspapers were decidedly Obama supporters. All one has to do is look at the editorials and columnists for a blind view of that. Obama mania has subsided to the reality of politics as usual and the realization of our inability to pay the bills. Meanwhile,no matter which journalist... [Full Comment]
  • 4/20/09 - Piccadilly JimTo Broadway: NO ONE called me to attend the tea party. You can choose to believe me or not... that is your right. However, don't so casually dismiss the concerns of those fellow citizens around you who are worried about the enormous spending program our federal government has embarked upon. And PLEASE... stop labeling all those who disagree with you. It is there right to demonstrate just as much as those whom you agree with. Stop the labeling. It's an old trick to distort what the opposition... [Full Comment]
  • 4/19/09 - BroadwayThese tea parties are not spontaneous, grass roots or non-partisan. They are fueled by FOX news and egged on by ultra-Rightists like Newt Gingrich. Where were these people (who are now getting a tax CUT under Obama)when Bush and the GOP were handing our dough to Wall Street?
  • 4/19/09 - MarkPerhaps if you would do more research before blabbering, your article would have been better received. While the protests did turn into partisan events at times, that was not the intention. RNC Chair Michael Steele asked to speak at one gathering, and was denied permission in the interests of keeping it non-partisan. We do understand that the MMT is a liberal publication though, and you can't help but run to the defense of President Obama any more than you can avoid screaming "Bush did it" at... [Full Comment]
  • 4/19/09 - Kim CThank you for trying to give a fair and balanced report about this event. Unfortunately, your attempt to do the right thing, journalistically speaking, was thwarted by the same rabid attitude that has hamstrung our politics in this country for at least the last year. We are suffering from the opposite of good journalism, where one covers the facts and then reports them, so that the rest of us may figure out how we see any one issue with regard to the facts at hand. Instead, the goal of... [Full Comment]
  • 4/19/09 - Paul R. HuardIn life, I can count on three things: Death, taxes, and the Mail Tribune missing the point. Although I give Hunter and his crew middling marks for both their pre-party and spot news coverage of the Medford Tea Party, their obsession with casting the protests as wholly-owned subsidaries of the Republican Party baffles me. Excuse me, but did the esteemed Mr. Hunter or any of reporters actually attend the event? Protesters there were no doubt frustrated with the Obama administration's thirst for... [Full Comment]
  • 4/19/09 - Hehehe...Looks like your paper's reputation precedes itself. While your focus in this blog seems to be specific to the "tea party," it is obvious that the past reporting of you and your staff has gained a reputation -- one that doesn't appear to be flattering.
  • 4/19/09 - L. AngelI thought the M-T coverage was fair and even-handed. Damian Mann wrote an accurate account of a very successful event.
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